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Laura Mazzotta: Welcome back to episode 3 of the freedom frequency. Today, we're going to be talking about, what does freedom in relationships mean? So I'm going to hand this over to Anna and let her start with this topic, because this was kind of lighting a fire for her.
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Ana Jones: Yeah.
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Ana Jones: So in the past episode, Laura mentioned something. If you haven't listened to it, go ahead and and listen to it. It's actually really good. All the episodes are really good. But she was talking about how Jay Shetty and his wife have this annual, I guess, like meeting or conversation, and they decide whether or not they still want to be married to each other. And I think that that is a really
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Ana Jones: great idea like to actually have a moment and sit down and be like, what? How are you feeling? How you know what's what's going on? And I I'm not there. I don't know what they talk about, but I
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Ana Jones: I always tell my boyfriend like this is something that I
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Ana Jones: intend to bring into our relationship all the time, and I told him from the beginning, I'm like, make no mistake, and not as a threat, or like an ultimatum. But it's just like make no mistake that, you know, if at any point
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Ana Jones: I feel like I am taken for granted or like, there's no reciprocity, or that I'm like, basically like living with like a zombie that I will speak up.
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Ana Jones: and I will say something about it. And eventually, you know.
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Ana Jones: if if things don't align, if things don't, you know, regroup. If if we're not meant to grow together, then there, there will be this inevitable, very obvious, just
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Ana Jones: space, you know, gap between us. That's like, okay, let's talk about the elephant in the room. So I love this because
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Ana Jones: going back to what freedom means to us, freedom to me is like
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Ana Jones: being able to have these conversations because we weren't. We weren't taught this right. It was like, until death do us part. And if you fuck with that.
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Ana Jones: you are a sinner. At least that's where I came. That's those are the rules where where I came from. You know, I was born and raised Catholic, and I was talking about a friend with this yesterday, and we were like man like religion. It just really can fuck you up, you know, in terms of like control and beliefs. And like all this stuff, if if you're not somebody who believes in like expansion, or they don't teach you that at home, you know religion can really
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Ana Jones: brainwash you into believing that you are worthless, that you are a piece of shit, that you are. Everything that you do is like a sin. So yeah, just, you know, little little disclaimer here. If you're super hyper religious, that's not an offense to you. Just really, this is the experience that I've had speaking to a lot of religious people. And
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Ana Jones: yeah, I I feel like this is something that we constantly just need to talk about, because not constantly. But it's okay to talk about it right? Like, Hey, do you? Do you like me.
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Ana Jones: you know? Are you? Are you like what? What's what's going on? How? How do you feel that I am? Am I supporting you? Do you not feel supported? And I don't know about you? But, for example, with my boyfriend
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Ana Jones: he's very quiet, and so often sometimes he will say things, but I like to ask questions, because otherwise I don't really get a lot of responses, and there was a little bit of a pushback because he was like, why are you, you know? Enter interrogating me. I'm like, no, I just want to get to know you.
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Ana Jones: So I think that we have different ways, different approaches of of handling things. And for you, Laura, I mean, I know you. You have a lot to say about this. You've been in a relationship way longer than I have. So definitely you're married. I'm not so, you know. Different perspectives here.
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Laura Mazzotta: Yeah, I think there's a couple things you brought up that I really liked. And and one of them was this, and we talked about this a little bit. It came up briefly in our in episode 2 as well around this
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Laura Mazzotta: this idea that you are inevitably going to know, right? Like you're going to know. We talked about desire a lot last episode. And so it was like, Well, you're going to know when that desire is meant to shift, or when it is shifting into something else and same thing with relationships. It's like.
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Laura Mazzotta: yes, if we're not meant to grow together, that will show itself, and I think that we can come from this place of fear and anxious attachment a lot of the time around like, well, where is this going? And you know, and instead, it's like, just just you're distracting yourself from being in presence with what is
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Laura Mazzotta: right like, be in presence with what is, instead of gripping onto what you think needs to be in order for what you to feel safe, you to feel complete, you to feel loved, you, to feel desired right. And so I think freedom also comes in there with recognizing that you get to fulfill those things within yourself, and at the same time deeply appreciate
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Laura Mazzotta: and love and enjoy your partner and enjoy the relationship that you're in without there being a requirement to fulfill one another. You know, it's kind of like, okay, like I, my relationship with source, my relationship with myself, my relationship with my desires, with my energy. That is my fuel, you know, and you are my dessert. You know. You're my dessert, like it's like I don't require. But I deeply appreciate
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Laura Mazzotta: and desire this as well. And so I think freedom comes in there, too, where there's less of an attachment. And that's the second part that comes up where you were talking about, you know, asking your partner questions.
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Laura Mazzotta: And are you feeling supported and things like that? And I think that it's beautiful to kind of come together and be able to express. I can't remember where I heard this. But somebody was talking about, you know, coming together and just basically saying like, what is it that you need from me right now.
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Laura Mazzotta: what is it that you desire from this space between us right now?
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Laura Mazzotta: And and people being able to express that openly? And I think that
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Laura Mazzotta: when we ask questions. That's good. But I think when we're repeatedly asking questions, it can also take away the responsibility of the other person to come into their own voice and be able to express that. And I think it's really there's a lot of freedom in detaching from
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Laura Mazzotta: having to know their needs like they're an individual. They're responsible for meeting their own needs. If they desire support or guidance from you in order to kind of get them on a path to actualize that more or help support them in that it is their responsibility to ask. And so I think it is a fine line sometimes because we do want to support and love on our partners, and
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Laura Mazzotta: we want to take care of them in the way that they desire in terms of that dessert they're receiving from you, but not to do the work for them to enable them to continue being in a place where they're not growing.
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Ana Jones: Yeah.
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Ana Jones: I mean, there's so much to unpack with relationships, I feel like it, I feel like relationships are probably like the most complex thing on this planet, and not because they necessarily have to be
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Ana Jones: hard in nature. They just feel really challenging because of where we come from, what we're willing to do how we're willing to see things differently if we're willing to see things differently. Are we living in a space from where we feel free, or are we living in a contraction all the time? So if you're somebody who's looking expansion and your partner is always in contraction, it's just going to be really hard.
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Ana Jones: It's gonna feel really hard. It's gonna be feel like there's a lot of resistance because there is
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Ana Jones: because the other person isn't allowing right and it and it can feel very, very
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Ana Jones: what's the word? It can feel very threatening
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Ana Jones: to them to even invite the possibility that they are no longer the person that they think that they have always been
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Ana Jones: so. I think that there is just.
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Ana Jones: oh, my gosh! For to me
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Ana Jones: Like
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Ana Jones: relationships like monogamous relationship, conscious, monogamous relationships. They just represent a lot of a lot of growth like there is definitely, if you're if you're willing to, you know, open up and ask
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Ana Jones: questions, and sometimes, like you said, step back and give the other person space and room to just share and be. It's it really is like a dance, and I have been noticing that I mean you. You know that I've been like through a really I went through a really rough patch at the very beginning of my relationship, because I was in this
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Ana Jones: space where I was like. It has to be this way. If it's not this way, then it's not what I want, then it's not good enough. And it was just like this, like ridiculous, like Disney, childish expectation that I had of my partner that I was, it was never enough, and he could feel that. So that's the other thing. Never underestimate the energetic receptivity of your partner, because we can be like.
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Ana Jones: you know, smiling and like but then inside, we're like pissed off. They can sense that if especially if they're sensitive, which I know my boyfriend is. And so what I started doing was like.
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Ana Jones: like you were saying, just coming back to myself, and like being more attentive with me
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Ana Jones: and making sure that I have my needs met, instead of expecting my boyfriend to meet those needs. And what I've experienced now
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Ana Jones: coming from a like a super anxious attachment is like
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Ana Jones: I've I've created and cultivated a safe attachment which is nice.
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Ana Jones: It feels good. It's when you like to be in company of the other person. The other person enjoys your company. You have the things you do with them, and without them, and you you really are like a good wine and cheese pairing, you know, like you really, you really contribute.
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Ana Jones: and you add value to each other's lives, whether it's sitting on the couch, and you're touching each other with like, just the legs, just the feet. And you're each doing your thing, or you know, one person's reading a book, the other person's reading, whatever else, or watching TV or whatever. But it's like it's it doesn't feel dependent. It feels complementary.
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Laura Mazzotta: Yeah, absolutely dependent versus complementary. And I think this is what comes up around.
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Laura Mazzotta: you know, around trust, which is what you were talking about at the beginning with with even organized religion, right like, when we trust ourselves, when we trust that we are guided, when we trust our energy, when we trust our desires, and we allow those to lead right, then we always know that we are going to be in the fullest presence and the fullest embodiment of ourselves as we show up in
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Laura Mazzotta: whatever space. And so I think that sometimes people might think well, when you do that, you can just kind of not commit to a longer term goal or a longer term connection in this relationship. And that's not the case, because my desire may be to continue to grow with this person
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Laura Mazzotta: right my desire may be to continue to grow. I may express myself differently in that I may desire that our sitting on the couch with our feet touching and reading books is shifting
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Laura Mazzotta: right, and that I desire more adventure and less of that. Does that match with their desire. Is that complimentary, or is one of us trying to fit ourselves in a box in order to accommodate the other person because their desire has shifted? And there's this gripping of. But we have to stay together, because.
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Laura Mazzotta: you know. And so I think that's that's where the trust comes in of. I do trust my desires to lead me, and on a pathway of growth.
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Laura Mazzotta: and I trust theirs to lead them on a pathway of growth, and I trust, spirit and whatever's meant in the space between us to lead us on a pathway of growth. However, that means we remain in relationship.
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Ana Jones: Yeah, yeah, that's beautiful.
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Laura Mazzotta: Because I think the trust part also comes in around that concept of that, that it will show itself right like when it's complete, or if it's complete or where it's meant to shift, it will show itself instead of trying to accelerate the process. And I think that happens. A ton in relationships is this desire for acceleration?
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Laura Mazzotta: Well, I want to get there. I want to get there. I want to get there. I want to get there. Well, I have needs. I want to get there. I want to get there. And it's like.
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Laura Mazzotta: Okay, great. I want to get there, too. Don't get me wrong. I want to get there, too, right like I so want to get there. Don't. But but I'm also.
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Laura Mazzotta: I'm also pausing
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Laura Mazzotta: right. I'm also pausing, and at the same time that I'm saying, I want to get there. I'm not. I'm not stifling that desire. I'm holding that, and I'm allowing that to grow, and I'm not letting that distract me from the presence of what I am in and where I am now. So that gets to be this beautiful magnet right kind of pulling me forward, but
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Laura Mazzotta: not in a way that puts my blinders on with what is showing up in the present moment, and I think presence
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Laura Mazzotta: is a really really huge catalyst for freedom in relationships, because, as we are present with one another, we pick up on these energetic subtleties that you were talking about earlier, like your partner can feel your energy, whether you're saying something all sweet, and you know, and Cherry covered or not, you know, and it's it's being able to be in and and be open about the
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Laura Mazzotta: energy that is presenting in the space between you, so it could just be like. Hmm, you know. And that's 1 of the things that I've learned a lot in relationship is less conversation, more presence, just with the other person's energy.
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Laura Mazzotta: Because when we get into conversation don't get me wrong. Conversations, beneficial like, we're humans. Talk to each other, please, because people can use this as an avoidance strategy easily, you know, as an avoidance strategy. And so it's not. Don't talk about things, but I think that what can happen, especially when people get into a lot of conflict is it becomes this like narrative mind, base or nervous system reactivity like tit for tat kind of situation. And it's just like everybody's batting their stories back and forth. And instead, it's like
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Laura Mazzotta: there's always going to be an energy that exists under what you're talking about. There's always going to be an energy that fuels that so like. Let's just be in presence with the energy, right? Like I've done this so many times where it's just like you know what this conversation is no longer? Nope, we are just gonna sit in each other's presence. You can feel angry. I can feel sad. I can feel agitated. Whatever. Let's just be in presence until the energy feels complete
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Laura Mazzotta: that can come to centeredness that can come to peace. And it's like you're still relying on one another, but energetically.
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Laura Mazzotta: And this is also when, even if you are in conversation where you're taking longer pauses, don't make it this rush to like, well, we have to complete this. And we need to get to a solution. And I want to know, like, that's just anxiety. That's just I want to finish this and check it off my list right and like, just be done and get rid of it where you're not really being present with what is. And instead, it's like, Okay.
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Laura Mazzotta: I just noticed a shift in your energy what just occurred there.
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Laura Mazzotta: you know, and like just being curious, I think you used something like this earlier like this, asking questions piece like just being curious, not just about what they think, what they understand, what's on their minds, what's on their heart necessarily. But you're getting curious about the energetic sense you get from their field, regardless of what's coming out of their mouth.
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Ana Jones: Hmm, yeah, yeah, you're attuning to them like they're being what they're experiencing. And then I think that I mean, you said so many things that I'm just like, Oh, my gosh! Where do I start? But
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Ana Jones: definitely, I'll I'll start with this one. I think that
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Ana Jones: when we can tune in to the other person's experience and not make it about us. That's when we can go into a space of compassion
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Ana Jones: and hear them out, and if they can lower their guard. They can also say, you know what that was really hurtful for me to hear or like when you like, a thing that's always been an issue.
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Ana Jones: and my relationship was claiming it in the past. Was my tone, my tone, my boyfriend, was just like you are so disrespectful to me, and I was like, what are you talking about like? I'm like the the sweetest, and he was like, no like this. You know the way you talk to me, and I was like, Can you? And I was like, I have no idea what you're talking about, and it would. It just blew my mind. But those are the those are the things right like. Can you imagine if I'm speaking in a tone that's aggravating him.
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Ana Jones: how on earth
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Ana Jones: is he going to hear what I'm what I'm telling him, if he cannot get past the tone. So if this is something that happens to you, and you're listening right now, like
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Ana Jones: you can ask your partner like again asking the questions, and then sitting with what is, or, you know, just allowing it to to allow yourself to be with it, because it's like, Huh, okay, how can I? And I like this mantra of like
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Ana Jones: help me see things differently. You know we were talking. We were talking about religion earlier. But you know, Laura, you and I, we've we've we've shifted our relationship with God, with spirit, with source, and we have a great relationship. I think you better than I, much better than I do with with God. And you know life, universe, whatever you want to call it if you're if you're listening, and I think it's just a matter of like, show me how to see things differently. Support me in this like. I'm willing to see things differently.
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Ana Jones: Help me to see things differently, and things always shift. But if we're in our heads, if we're in our spaces like the whole time, and we're not even.
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Ana Jones: you know, like we. I think it was in the last episode that I said, you know, asking questions like, how can I be a more loving partner? How can I be someone who is more expansive and less contracting in my relationship? You know, not just romantic, but in general, like with family members, with friends. Because the truth is, when you shift everything outside you shifts.
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Ana Jones: and a lot of people are still waiting for other people to shift, and then I'll change. I'll change when others change. But it's not so much that you're changing. It's almost like you're allowing your inner flowers to bloom.
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Ana Jones: and that is, that is the vibe. That is the the shift.
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Ana Jones: But in reality it's not like a transformation, or so much like a well, I guess it technically is a change. But it's almost like a metamorphosis process where it's like, you're really just like, Okay, you were a worm. And then, you know, you got into it. You were a caterpillar, and then you got into a cocoon, and now you're a butterfly. It's always you.
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Ana Jones: It's always you, you know. So you are just going through these phases, and you're blooming inside out. And then again and again and again. And so I think that
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Ana Jones: really, you know, going back to what you were saying, it's just slow down.
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Ana Jones: slow down, and it is a paradox, but once you slow down, things speed up.
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Ana Jones: receive your partner, receive the experience.
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Laura Mazzotta: And receive right, receive the experience and the medicine that it has for you, because the fact is, if this is showing up in your world. Then there's also something in it for you, and that's 1 of the questions that I know you used to ask all the time that I always used to ask as well, and which I still do from time to time, which is
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Laura Mazzotta: connecting with God, and asking, like whatever part of me is contributing to the creation of this situation, or contributing to the current nature of this situation. I ask to either be made aware of or release this now, because it's that invitation to consistently be sculpted into a more divine form, into a form that's more loving, into a form that is more receptive, more compassionate.
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Laura Mazzotta: and and more present and aware of of who you are and how you're operating right. And I think that when we can humble ourselves to that and recognize that there's always something in that for us.
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Laura Mazzotta: It's obviously that's going to have a ripple effect. And that's where the trust piece
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Laura Mazzotta: comes in as well where the trust
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Laura Mazzotta: comes in which is really beautiful.
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Ana Jones: Yeah, the trusting, the trusting in in that it will happen for you. If it is something that is burning inside you, it it's going to happen. It's just a matter of time.
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Laura Mazzotta: Well, and I think that's also trusting your own signals, because, even like you were talking about
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Laura Mazzotta: the tone that you would speak to your partner. Right? So it's like, Okay, and then they're not going to be able to receive me. And you know me talking about this tit for tat piece earlier is one of the things that I will say is, when I'm really in tune with myself
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Laura Mazzotta: is, I can feel the build. I can feel the nervous system dance. I can feel the tension.
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Laura Mazzotta: and I'm not available for it, because I know that no change happens from that space.
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Laura Mazzotta: And so when I feel that it's being able to say like, I'm not here for the nervous system dance. But I am here to be with you.
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Ana Jones: Yeah.
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Laura Mazzotta: You know I'm not here for the dance, because it's just
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Laura Mazzotta: that's not a game I play anymore, you know, but I am here to be in presence with you, and I'm here to receive you, and I'm here to love you, and and it's almost simplifying everything. And coming back to that space of love?
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Laura Mazzotta: And and that doesn't mean you're bypassing what is what needs to be kind of resolved or discussed. But it means that you're trusting that you're calling in the energy that is going to show them, and you and the space between you, what needs to transform from a place of gentle love.
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Laura Mazzotta: rather than forcing or fighting, or pushing, or convincing, or proving
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Laura Mazzotta: right. Because I think that happens a lot where we're trying to prove ourselves, or try to like, get our point across, or a partner understands us. And it's like, Well, do you understand yourself like, how much do you understand yourself like, you know, and I think that we try to push that on somebody where it's like you could probably understand a lot more of me if I shut my mouth and let you just feel the love that radiates from me, just chilling out.
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Ana Jones: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love that.
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Ana Jones: And and because you're letting that person be.
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Ana Jones: And when you let someone be, it's like, I want to be around you all the time, because I can be whoever I want to be. We don't have to be engaging in conversation, or I don't feel like I have to be someone or something to entertain you. I'm not responsible for that. So when we
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Ana Jones: make ourselves responsible for our stuff and we
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Ana Jones: give back, because sometimes we take on responsibilities from our partners we give back.
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Ana Jones: They're, you know, we give them back their responsibility. It's like there's so much more space. There's so much more freedom because it's like you're there doing your thing, you're, you know. And then we have this like. And we have this connection, even though we're still, you know, not like
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Ana Jones: physically ingrained in each other. And there is a beauty of that, you know. There's there's a time and a space for everything. And I think that that is something that's deeply undervalued in relationships.
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Laura Mazzotta: Very much so, and I and I think that that's where I've gotten stuck before
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Laura Mazzotta: in the past, which is.
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Laura Mazzotta: you know, that I was really good at practicing this until my partner would then shift into a really like negative space emotionally, and there was a part of my energy that was not intentionally all the time, sometimes intentionally, but not intentionally like, but just kind of
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Laura Mazzotta: trying to lighten things.
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Ana Jones: Hmm.
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Laura Mazzotta: Right. And I think that that's also where trust comes in. Because it's
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Laura Mazzotta: okay. 1st of all, is this person requesting it?
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Laura Mazzotta: Second of all. Is this
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Laura Mazzotta: something like, why do I desire to engage here? Is it so that I can make myself feel better? Is it so that that I can keep myself in this space because I can actually choose to remain in this space without interacting in that one at all. And I get to trust
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Laura Mazzotta: and have faith that this person
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Laura Mazzotta: either knows exactly how to move this through, or will in their own time, or knows exactly what resources to access to move through.
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Laura Mazzotta: including me, if they want me to be that one of those resources right, but that, you know, really offering them the sovereignty to do that, and that if they really can't get out of a space again.
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Laura Mazzotta: trust that you're going to know
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Laura Mazzotta: when you're meant to know? Like you're gonna get to that point where it's like, okay, dude, it's been like 5 days, like, what the hell you know like, let's
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Laura Mazzotta: let's just
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Laura Mazzotta: let's just be in presence or whatever. But but trust that you're gonna know, and that you're gonna come from a space of
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Laura Mazzotta: of of deep compassion and reverence for their own path and their own time.
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Ana Jones: Yeah.
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Ana Jones: And when you were as you were speaking about this because my my emotional maturity in this area is quite recent. When you were saying all of these things.
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Ana Jones: It I was like I was getting flashbacks of how I felt when things weren't okay, you know, in my perspective and what I was feeling was, I was feeling very anxious
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Ana Jones: you know there there was this deep fear of abandonment, so I wanted to know that everything was okay, and that I wasn't going to be abandoned.
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Laura Mazzotta: Right.
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Ana Jones: So I wanted things to fix, to get fixed quickly, and if I didn't get a moment to like quickly, like, let's fucking go. Let's do this, then I would freak, and I would be like, Okay, then it's over. You know what I mean.
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Laura Mazzotta: Yeah.
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Ana Jones: Like you're not gonna abandon me.
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Ana Jones: 1st I'm going to leave, so I'll be the one who leaves, and then I never get abandoned. So I mean, this is a whole other like wormhole that we could go down. But I think that for those of you who are listening and are like, well, how do I do this? It feels like horrible like. My heart is like broken. I feel so anxious this and that.
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Ana Jones: Then that's the sign.
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Ana Jones: The nervous system. Regulation has to happen for you, and you need to take care of that, so that you're not projecting all of that onto your partner, because when you give them that space, when you give yourself that space, that's freedom.
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Ana Jones: and then when you can do that for them too, as well, that's just an extension of the freedom.
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Laura Mazzotta: It really is, and and I'll give you another example before we close up here, which is like
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Laura Mazzotta: like, last night, like yesterday, I started getting a little funky. I wasn't feeling well. I had a little bit of a bug, so I just like wasn't feeling great. And then, like, later in the day. My mind started to go a little, because I had been like just resting more, you know, and my mind started to go because I was really feeling like Ugh!
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Laura Mazzotta: And I had connected to spirit. I had moved with Qigong. I had done this, that and the other right called in energy, healing all the things, pulled some cards.
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Laura Mazzotta: and I was like, goodness gracious!
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Laura Mazzotta: And then finally, I just voiced it to a loved one, and I was just like, you know what?
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Laura Mazzotta: And she's like, Yeah, I feel that. You know. I feel that from you and
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Laura Mazzotta: and literally, that's all I needed to say was just to own it and say I'm frustrated and sad, and I didn't need to go into the whole thing, and as soon as I said that I was like, and she's like you are. So you so beautifully connect to spirit and do this and do that and all these things. Sometimes you just need to be present with you. And I'm like.
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Laura Mazzotta: Yeah, and that's the other piece. It's like, Did I require that in order to get out of it. No. Did it assist my process? Yes. And so I'm sharing that because this doesn't mean we're not meant to be in co-regulation and in connection with other people, and allow them to support us right? And so it's knowing that when you start to get a little sticky sometimes, that is the thing, but it doesn't have to go into a big thing. Similarly to, you know my husband and I
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Laura Mazzotta: the other night both of us were kind of restless before bed, and it was just like, and and I felt Oh! And then I finally fell asleep. I finally fell asleep, and I think it was like 20 min later he, like put his hand on my back, and I woke up and I was ready to kill him. I was like, oh, my God, don't touch me like I finally fell asleep right, and I knew right away I wasn't agitated with him.
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Laura Mazzotta: There was just a lot of energy. It was the full moon. There was a lot going on with the kids, and I was just feeling this this agitated energy that for whatever reason was stirring me up.
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Laura Mazzotta: and without connecting a narrative to it, or getting pissy with him. It was like me. Just the next morning I was like Dude. I was agitated, less like just owning. I was agitated without attaching a story to it. And he's like, Yeah, I was kind of agitated, too, you know, and I think that's a really important lesson to share with you guys is like you get to own I feel, X,
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Laura Mazzotta: which is going to release the shame. It's going to move the energy. It's going to heighten your awareness. It's going to allow you to be present with yourself, and it's going to take the responsibility off of the relationship. And the other person to be in this defensive space around, you know, justifying themselves or XY, or Z. It's just like, yeah, there's agitation in the air. That's it.
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Ana Jones: Yeah.
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Laura Mazzotta: It'll move. It's an emotion. They all move.
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Ana Jones: Yeah. Yeah. And I don't know about you. But I think that's like the biggest thing that I see with clients. It's like they're so afraid to go into the emotion and to just be with it. But sometimes, honestly, like you said just saying like
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Ana Jones: I feel pissed. I feel this. I feel that without like the story of like. But there's so many people that are suffering in the world. And who am I to feel this way? And it's like, Oh, my gosh! Just feel it! Just feel it! Because when we suppress it, when we deprive ourselves. That's even like a.
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Laura Mazzotta: Or even going into a big vent session. Sometimes sometimes I'm not saying venting is a completely awful thing. I err on the side of of not doing it much as the more and more that I grow.
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Ana Jones: Yeah.
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Laura Mazzotta: Because I do think that we can get into mind stories and get very attached and rile ourselves up. But I also think sometimes you know, people can be a sounding board for that, but I think it's it's not getting into kind of any narrative. It's just literally naming as like I'm frustrated. And I'm just like.
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Laura Mazzotta: you know, and just letting yourself have whatever tantrum-y like thing needs to come up. And then just being like Whoa, okay? And even when I vent sometimes I'll vent. And I'm like, Okay, great thanks for listening. I'm complete like, I don't need feedback. I don't need to process this I literally just needed to dump.
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Laura Mazzotta: Hmm.
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Ana Jones: Yeah, and it's powerful gets out of the system. And then you come back.
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Laura Mazzotta: With a great.
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Ana Jones: Great story.
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Laura Mazzotta: A great story. It's usually something we laugh about, right? I mean, you and I do this all the time. So yeah, and that's the last thing I think I'll say here is, that's 1 thing that we have felt in our relationship. Anna, is just this freedom to just be so raw.
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Laura Mazzotta: right like to just be so honestly raw and just like this is where I am right now, and also trusting and knowing each other well enough to be like.
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Laura Mazzotta: yeah, you can be a complete hot mess one moment, and the next moment be like dude. I am taking on the world, you know.
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Ana Jones: Hours, later.
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Laura Mazzotta: Yes, absolutely so.
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Ana Jones: Shifted out of that. Now I'm back. So I've booked 3 more spots for my retreat. And
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Ana Jones: yeah, and I'm like, Yeah, that's how it happens.
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Laura Mazzotta: So thank you. Everyone I like, Anna said. We could probably talk about this for about 6 days, but we really appreciate you being part of this, and definitely leave us questions or comments in the
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Laura Mazzotta: description of this video. Wherever you're watching this or listening to this, and we would be happy to connect with you, and I'm just so grateful for this space. I'm so grateful for this time we get together.
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Ana Jones: Me too. I love you so much.
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Laura Mazzotta: I love you, too. Have a good day, everybody, bye, for now.
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Ana Jones: Bye.
