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Laura Mazzotta: Welcome to episode 5 of soul talk. Today we're talking about time, which is a really delicious conversation. And I want to start by talking about the fact that
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Laura Mazzotta: time has been characterized as our most precious resource. Like above money.
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Laura Mazzotta: Right? Time is our most precious resource, and it's like, I feel like we use this in a way to
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Laura Mazzotta: kind of give us a reason to set boundaries and say, Oh, well, you know I value my time. I value my space and time right? And so I since I value my time, I can't give this to you. I can't give that to you, or whatever. I just feel like this this talking about time as our most precious precious resource attaches us to it, like in this gripping way it puts us in this scarcity mindset of like. Well, I have to hoard my time, or I have to make sure that I use it in a certain way, because
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Laura Mazzotta: it is so precious to me, it almost becomes this entitled
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Laura Mazzotta: thing. And I know that one of the things that Nino said before we started recording was that we tether ourselves to time. So can you talk about that a little bit, Nino? Because I think that's the crux of this
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Ninoshka Perez: Yeah, absolutely.
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Ninoshka Perez: When I was tuning into time and the essence of it.
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Ninoshka Perez: I tuned into the fact that
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Ninoshka Perez: we measure our successes and our failures by time.
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Ninoshka Perez: And in doing so we're tethering ourselves to time.
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Ninoshka Perez: and whether or not we are valid and validated in where we are in life where we are in our careers and our relationships.
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Ninoshka Perez: And it really is. And I think we talked about this right before our call. It's it's where we start
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Ninoshka Perez: tuning into lack and comparison even
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Ninoshka Perez: with other people of where they are at in life. And that's just not something that is one our business and 2.
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Ninoshka Perez: It makes us feel strapped by time when time was meant to be fluid.
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Ninoshka Perez: and it can provide structure to us. But the structure is not meant to contain us in.
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Ninoshka Perez: In this lack and in this discomfort
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Laura Mazzotta: Yeah, I feel that I feel that comparison piece. I'm so glad you brought that in.
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Laura Mazzotta: because that's exactly it. It's this structured timeline that we witness that we think we're supposed to be on, and a lot of that is societal conditioning that has been put in place. But I think that when we really look at ourselves as these sovereign beings, these sovereign souls who are here for completely our own journey. Yes, we're going to be in exchange and interaction with other people, but
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Laura Mazzotta: we look so much to those outside of us, we look so much to what is outside of us, and and what has already been done, and and, like you said, it straps us.
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Laura Mazzotta: It holds us back from seeing all that we can accomplish, all that is available that may have never been charted
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Laura Mazzotta: on this planet before.
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Laura Mazzotta: and if that takes our whole lifetimes to do it, it takes our whole lifetimes to do it. You know it's like like Jesus's grandmother said. I know, without a doubt, that I am planting seeds in this lifetime that are not going to grow into full fruition while I am alive.
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Laura Mazzotta: and that's the ultimate
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Laura Mazzotta: piece of faith right there. This is ultimate devotion to faith is being able to say, like, I know that my being is of
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Laura Mazzotta: utmost value that is not tethered to any kind of measurement, whether we're talking about time, money, accomplishment, success, like you said in any area. And so I like this concept of
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Laura Mazzotta: were not meant to be contained like, if you find yourself in any of those narratives of I'm not there yet, or once I get there, then, right? You're not. In the present moment you're not an appreciation of what you are and what you have, and therefore you haven't tasted the depth and the richness of the essence that is available to you.
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Laura Mazzotta: Now, right? So do either of you have a thought on that
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Jenna Greengold: I do.
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Jenna Greengold: I think it's also restrictive in that. We wait for something like we're waiting for
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Jenna Greengold: like, yes, be present. But also you can make your present space, whatever you desire it to be. You don't have to wait for anything.
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Jenna Greengold: you know. We hinge a lot on
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Jenna Greengold: you know. If something happens, then I will do this, or if I receive some specific clarity in in one area, then I can move forward in this, and it's like. No like. That's when you trust your intuition. That's when you trust energy in the present
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Jenna Greengold: to inform how you want your present to evolve how you want to operate within it.
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Jenna Greengold: and I think that time can be just as restrictive as thought.
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Jenna Greengold: I think that time is born in thought.
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Jenna Greengold: It wouldn't exist if we didn't have to make sense of things
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Jenna Greengold: if we didn't have to chart a path of of structure like we were talking about, you know, like
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Jenna Greengold: morning, noon night, like, just from the simplest standpoint.
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Jenna Greengold: Like, if we didn't have to make sense of what we do in the present moment throughout the day.
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Jenna Greengold: would it exist?
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Jenna Greengold: And then in that we're we're very constricted
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Ninoshka Perez: Laura, you look like you're ready. Do you want to go first? st
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Laura Mazzotta: I just.
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Laura Mazzotta: I love that concept of
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Laura Mazzotta: time can be just as is just as restrictive as thought, because it's that perception.
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Laura Mazzotta: right? Is that perception of time, and I think that we
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Laura Mazzotta: you know what immediately came forward for me, as Jenna was talking about. That
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Laura Mazzotta: was the concept of dissociation, you know, being a therapist, I'm thinking about dissociation. I'm thinking about dementia patients. I'm thinking about Alzheimer's patients, you know, people who lose this sense of time.
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Laura Mazzotta: And why? Because they're in a different perceptual state.
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Laura Mazzotta: So it's fascinating to me, because it's like
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Laura Mazzotta: they are. Many of those people are entirely in the know
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Laura Mazzotta: entirely in the present moment. They don't. A lot of them don't remember a thing from the past.
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Laura Mazzotta: and they are just in the present moment. And what are they focused on in that moment?
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Laura Mazzotta: Those patients? They're focused on sensation.
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Laura Mazzotta: They're focused on sensation. And it's like the the. And that that sensation is heightened
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Laura Mazzotta: for them in present moment. So it's like, if you go up to. I remember when I would visit Alzheimer's patients or dementia patients, and they would flip out if the noise was a little too loud, or they would flip out if they could sense something they could. Their senses were so refined and in tune that they were. They were at this point of reactivity because
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Laura Mazzotta: their senses were so heightened. And so it's just interesting to me, because it's like when we allow ourselves to dissolve this structured container of time and this perception of it, the sensory experience, which is why we are here in human bodies by the way, right?
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Laura Mazzotta: Why would we have sensation? Which also brings us emotion? Let's be clear
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Laura Mazzotta: right that actual experience that we are meant to have here in human bodies is heightened.
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Laura Mazzotta: So, Nina, what comes up for you? Because I can see you thinking
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Ninoshka Perez: Yeah, I wrote earlier, how?
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Ninoshka Perez: Depending on where we live, in society.
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Ninoshka Perez: in the societal structure, our sense of time is different.
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Ninoshka Perez: You know children experience time differently than we do as adults who are working in a 9 to 5, or whatever you know, constructor in, and even the 9 to fivers
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Ninoshka Perez: are experiencing time differently than, let's say, people who are living off the land and working with the land and agricultural areas.
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Ninoshka Perez: They don't abide by time in the same way which tells me that time is fluid.
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Ninoshka Perez: you know, and it is just like Jenna was saying. It's it's like the mind.
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Ninoshka Perez: But I wrote earlier.
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Ninoshka Perez: we are the timekeepers, as in our mind, is what keeps time, our mind and our perception is what
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Ninoshka Perez: informs how we see and perceive time, and even when we look into when, where noting time, it's
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Ninoshka Perez: we're basing it on what we can see with our 3D eyes and not what's actually happening
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Ninoshka Perez: right? And we want to say, if I can't see it happening, it's not done.
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Ninoshka Perez: If I can't see it happening, I must be doing something wrong if I can't see it.
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Ninoshka Perez: But site is not
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Ninoshka Perez: the best sense for time, because there's so much that's happening under the surface. Even when we're looking at seeds to sprout. We can plant seeds early, you know, spring, late winter.
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Ninoshka Perez: and it takes time
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Ninoshka Perez: for us to finally see it sprout, and we think you know. Oh, I don't know if that took. I don't know if that's going to grow.
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Ninoshka Perez: and that not knowing is where we start feeling that discomfort, the the sensation. I think we can feel what's growing, and because we can't see what we're feeling.
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Ninoshka Perez: our mind starts to try to make sense of it, and we can't.
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Ninoshka Perez: And that's where we start going into. It's not working, you know. I'm not doing this right, you know, we start to put stories on top of it.
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Ninoshka Perez: and we lose sight of where we are at. In time we lose sight of the present.
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Ninoshka Perez: I think that's the only measure of time that matters.
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Ninoshka Perez: We can look at the past.
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Ninoshka Perez: but every time we would look at the past we're reliving it. So really, the past becomes present.
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Ninoshka Perez: So does the past really exist
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Ninoshka Perez: in our, you know, in our sensation, in our lived sensation. At that point the past is now.
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Ninoshka Perez: and even when we look in the future.
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Ninoshka Perez: you know, if we daydream about future happenings, or if we start looking into what could go wrong, we start to feel the sensation of that now.
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Ninoshka Perez: so in that way we are. We are the vessel of time.
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Laura Mazzotta: I really love that because it also shows us how much the yes, the now is the only moment, because
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Laura Mazzotta: the sensations that we have in the now are a
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Laura Mazzotta: an accumulation of everything that's occurred in the past as well.
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Laura Mazzotta: Right and like you said, you can bring the sensation of the future
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Laura Mazzotta: into your body now. So it's really about present sensation. And this concept of
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Laura Mazzotta: being able to to measure or take note of time through sensation
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Laura Mazzotta: is brilliant, and and I feel that so much, because there will be days where
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Laura Mazzotta: I feel like I have no time at all.
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Laura Mazzotta: It goes by so fast, and I'm like.
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Laura Mazzotta: where did this day go like I? Where did this day go
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Laura Mazzotta: right? And then I have days where I'm like, I feel like I have so much space, and it's not necessarily aligned with how much I have to do on my calendar.
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Laura Mazzotta: Right? Some days. Yeah, there'll be so much on my calendar, but it can still feel like that day lasted forever.
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Laura Mazzotta: Right? And so for me, when I tune into that, it's how present was I with sensation during that day.
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Laura Mazzotta: because I can have a day that is, I have nothing on my calendar, and it goes by so fast.
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Laura Mazzotta: and I'm just like.
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Laura Mazzotta: where where did that go right? And a lot of the times? What I'll find is that's because I was lost in the mind.
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Laura Mazzotta: or because I was connected to a narrative. And so I can be doing a million things and actually feel like I have more time that day because I'm more present with the now
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Laura Mazzotta: of what I'm experiencing in the now with each of those things that I'm doing. And so I think sometimes when people say.
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Laura Mazzotta: Create more space. Right? You create more space and more space arrives. Yes, I agree with this. I do this. I practice this, but I can also see why
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Laura Mazzotta: some people pack their schedules because maybe they have difficulty sitting with themselves and sensation in space in present space with themselves, and it's easier for them to feel like. They have more fulfillment of time in their lives because they're present in these moments with all these things they've put on their calendar
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Laura Mazzotta: so they can feel more fulfillment from that.
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Laura Mazzotta: And we can argue that that fulfillment has less depth.
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Laura Mazzotta: But maybe it doesn't.
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Laura Mazzotta: Maybe it actually allows them to access sensational parts of themselves that they don't know how to do when they sit in space.
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Laura Mazzotta: The key is tuning into sensation. So how is this feeling for you guys
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Jenna Greengold: It's just bringing me back to structured thought. And why time is created is because we needed a desired structure.
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Jenna Greengold: in in a sense, because we couldn't be in space.
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Jenna Greengold: or people just didn't want to be in that present space and feel that sensation. It's it feels to me like a lot of the time when we structure.
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Jenna Greengold: It's funny. We say a lot of the time, a lot of the time we structure time. It's very escapism. That's what it feels like to me in a lot of ways to not be present.
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Jenna Greengold: But there's something I also wanted to touch on with what Nina was saying about
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Jenna Greengold: like feeling into the past because
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Jenna Greengold: it feels to me like that's how we can slip so easily into cycles right? Because if we feel the past, quote unquote past, and bring it into the few into now into where we are now.
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Jenna Greengold: We will relive that moment in the present. Yes.
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Jenna Greengold: and then we're back in cycle, and we don't, you know, escape those you could say even past life things, ancestral things, those felt sense
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Jenna Greengold: moments that come up in our in our fields
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Jenna Greengold: that we then lean into and create narrative on in the present moment
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Jenna Greengold: that just continue to be cyclical, and we don't.
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Jenna Greengold: We don't step out of them because of the concept of time
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Ninoshka Perez: Or I had a really loud truck passing over here.
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Ninoshka Perez: So I took a a moment.
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Ninoshka Perez: While you were talking, Laura, I was starting to think about
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Ninoshka Perez: Saint Teresa, and how she used to say all the time, the busier that I am, the more I need to sit in prayer with God, with source.
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Ninoshka Perez: And it's this.
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Ninoshka Perez: you know, for for her prayer was meditation. It was connection with source connection with self. So, however, that looks like for each of us will be different. You know some of us need
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Ninoshka Perez: a 5Â min walk. Some of us need a 30Â min meditation, others may need a shower.
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Ninoshka Perez: just letting it all fall off with water, right? So how we structure our time throughout the day
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Ninoshka Perez: can inform how we access those pockets of presence, and the more often we access those pockets of presence, I think the more fulfilling life is whether we need to sit
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Ninoshka Perez: still with sensation, or we need to move through. That sensation is entirely unique.
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Ninoshka Perez: And it's okay.
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Ninoshka Perez: We're not saying, sit for 30Â min in meditation and feel sensation for 30Â min. If that's just not how your body works.
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Ninoshka Perez: Right? So just clarifying that. And then to what Jenna was saying.
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Ninoshka Perez: Yes, we can go back into those pockets of the past
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Ninoshka Perez: and use them as a crutch for the present.
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Ninoshka Perez: And that is the worst thing that we can do. And I think that's why a lot of the time
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Ninoshka Perez: I tend to move away from past life experiences because it can make alive what was never in my field
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Ninoshka Perez: other than that moment of tapping into that frequency. And now I have something in my mind, a narrative in my mind that I clutch onto and grip as to explain why I can't do something, or why something is hard for me.
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Ninoshka Perez: Forget that.
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Ninoshka Perez: No, I can inform you and say, Oh, that's why that felt uncomfortable. And now that I know why it felt uncomfortable. Okay, thank you. Thank you for revealing that to me. You can go now
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Laura Mazzotta: Don't even get me started on past life. Stuff, Nino. I could talk about that all damn day, because that makes me insane. I really don't. When people sign up for Akashic records sessions with me and say, I want to know where this past life route is.
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Laura Mazzotta: Right, listen, if there's 1 that's really present right at the gate. I'm going to feel it, I'm going to know, and that's going to come forward and hang out with us, because it's meant to. The energy is meant to shift. It's meant to inform the now in some way, so that your conscious awareness can shift. Your perception can shift on what you're capable of of
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Laura Mazzotta: actualizing right now who you are, the richness of you right tasting more of yourself. But at the end of the day when we go searching for this stuff, and then we say, I cannot stand it when people say.
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Laura Mazzotta: Oh, well, I had a past life where I was burned at the stake, or this happened, or that happened, and so therefore I cannot. This is why I can't do that, and it's like you can do whatever the fuck you want. And by the way, you're going to heal that shit when you stop making it an excuse
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Laura Mazzotta: and decide and move forward
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Laura Mazzotta: right like it automatically gets healed like, there's nothing you can't do. Does it help to have a context like when we understand our ancestry? Yes, it can be helpful to have a context. But that's just so that we can again feel into those edges of ourselves and feel feel more of the multi dimensional layers of who we are.
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Laura Mazzotta: Right. So I love that you brought that forward because it is. I like that. You also coupled that with the fact that time is a tool, that it's a powerful tool, that we are also able to use that as much as it doesn't exist. And is not it? Very much is as well. And so we also get to use it as a tool like you said to structure your day so that you create space for presence, so that you create space for sensation and and make choice.
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Laura Mazzotta: you know. And I think that that's a piece, too, is this idea of choice with time. And it's like, Okay, well, do I choose this? Now, do I choose this later? Well, if it's come into your consciousness to decide whether to choose. You've already chosen
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Laura Mazzotta: right. That energy is already moving in your fields. The actualization of that in terms of how and when it comes into 3D. Form is not up to you, because spirit doesn't work on your timeline right? But the decision is already made
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Laura Mazzotta: right. The decision is already made. So it's like, if I choose in the now, the decision is, it's done.
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Laura Mazzotta: If I've chosen 25 years ago, the decision is done
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Laura Mazzotta: right, and the energy has already been in motion, and so
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Laura Mazzotta: I would love if you guys have thoughts on that. But what this brings forward for me is this
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Laura Mazzotta: this urgency piece that you spoke so brilliantly about before we started, Nino. So if there's something that comes forward on what I just said, go for it. But otherwise I I would love it if you could chime in on that piece
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Ninoshka Perez: Yeah, I was thinking about how.
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Ninoshka Perez: as you said, if if we're choosing now, the the energy has already been in motion, and this is where we get to
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Ninoshka Perez: creation is finished. It is already done, and this is where we are. The the vehicle of time. Right?
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Ninoshka Perez: It's already done.
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Ninoshka Perez: It's already done like, just feel into that part.
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Ninoshka Perez: It's already done.
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Ninoshka Perez: The energy has already been in movement, and my conscious decision is just confirmation that it is already done
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Ninoshka Perez: a lot of times. We want to think that the conscious decision comes first.st
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Ninoshka Perez: My categories.
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Ninoshka Perez: We think the conscious decision comes first, st but our energetic decision comes first.st
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Ninoshka Perez: The frequency is what informs our consciousness.
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Ninoshka Perez: The sensation informs our consciousness. So I just wanted to put that out there. And it ties it very well. Into this.
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Ninoshka Perez: Urgency is the vibration of attunement, feeling uncomfortable.
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Ninoshka Perez: What I was thinking about when I when I wrote that was
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Ninoshka Perez: the nervous system. The nervous system feeling.
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Ninoshka Perez: When I explained this in the last episode, that chaotic vibration of trying to hold what is
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Ninoshka Perez: when the mind hasn't come into resonance with it, or into alignment and attunement with it, and that's all that is urgency feels like
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Ninoshka Perez: I don't have it yet.
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Ninoshka Perez: I need this to happen yesterday.
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Ninoshka Perez: Well, honeys, it already did when when we really think about it.
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Ninoshka Perez: because the energy goes into motion before the conscious thought of confirmation, that nervous system is just catching up.
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Ninoshka Perez: So really, we are catching up to time, not time, like
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Ninoshka Perez: we don't have to run towards time, because time is already like a time and place that we're going to get there, anyway. I don't have to run towards it. I don't have to rush towards it. I can walk and still arrive on time.
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Ninoshka Perez: I can slow down my steps and still be on time.
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Ninoshka Perez: What are your thoughts
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Jenna Greengold: That's just reminding me that everything's energy and that we are dense, and that we are
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Jenna Greengold: like you said that our creation is is done.
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Jenna Greengold: and we simply have to allow ourselves to attune to it to receive it, because we've made everything already.
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Jenna Greengold: We made it before we got here.
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Jenna Greengold: We're just dense as fuck. So we're so we're we're getting there.
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Jenna Greengold: I like that a lot, you know.
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Laura Mazzotta: It makes me think of that roomy quote. We're all just walking each other home, right?
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Laura Mazzotta: It's like who gives a shit right like, who cares what you're doing, and when you're doing it, and how you're doing it, and
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Laura Mazzotta: what role or container you put yourself in. And when that role comes into play like.
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Laura Mazzotta: my goodness, like we are all just we're all going to the same place.
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Laura Mazzotta: We're all gonna end up like we're all gonna go back to the universe. We're all gonna be back with source
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Laura Mazzotta: right? And and we're gonna get wherever our soul desires us to get, we're gonna get there.
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Laura Mazzotta: And we're all here, just reflecting to each other and
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Laura Mazzotta: and being in space as we float through these human experiences. Right?
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Laura Mazzotta: And it does. It feels like
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Laura Mazzotta: none of it matters, and yet
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Laura Mazzotta: we get to. None of it matters by being fully present with the moment in which we currently are
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Laura Mazzotta: right, because otherwise we're getting lost in the sauce of what's supposed to matter so that I can get to there, or what has mattered. And that's why I'm it's so complicated.
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Laura Mazzotta: It's such complexity and thought like Jenna was saying when
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Laura Mazzotta: really, when I talked about dissociation earlier, right? It's actually that space of not dissociation where we're disconnected from reality. But higher consciousness states are really about being in this this
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Laura Mazzotta: different perceptual space at the same time that we are grounded in this reality
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Laura Mazzotta: right. And so it's bringing a marriage to both of those concepts
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Laura Mazzotta: of. Like I am. I am beyond the mind like, even when I had a concussion, when my daughter had a concussion. I was like dude. Everybody should sign up for at least one concussion in this lifetime, like I literally think we should just smack everybody on the head at least once.
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Laura Mazzotta: because the thing is is you get that sensation of like being beyond the mind at the same time that you're grounded in reality. And granted it's not the same thing. Okay, please don't hit your head on a wall right now, or a tree branch like I did. But
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Laura Mazzotta: you know it's you get that sensation in the body and that bodily memory that comes forward around what it feels like to be in a different perceptual state at the same time that you're present and in sensation. And I think that this is why people use mind altering substances like psychedelics to get to a higher consciousness state.
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Laura Mazzotta: because they don't know that sensation within their bodies of what it feels like to be in a higher consciousness state. At the same time that you are grounded in reality
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Laura Mazzotta: right. And the problem is is that you're not really grounded in reality when you're on substances like that. But it starts to bring that sensation online. And there's a lot of people in this world whose nervous systems like Nina was talking about earlier, like whose nervous systems, because of trauma or whatever just don't feel safe enough to open to this spacious universal space and energy. And that's understandable, which is why we have coaches and therapists
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Laura Mazzotta: that and and loved ones who are educated in this stuff that can hold us
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Laura Mazzotta: as we go through that process. So so I see you, if you're one of those people.
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Laura Mazzotta: and know that that time can be very, very distorted if we've had any kind of experiences of trauma, because our nervous systems can literally feel like we are still trapped in that frozen space in time when something has occurred right? And we can see this through through scientific research around trauma itself, being able to rewire that. And we can do the same thing with our perception of time.
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Laura Mazzotta: We can do our because it's the same process, it's the same process. So, Nino, did you have another thought that was coming up as I was speaking, before we finish up
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Ninoshka Perez: No, I don't want to make this about manifestation, so I won't add that. But I did. I did want to add one piece.
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Ninoshka Perez: None of this is about being delusional
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Ninoshka Perez: like you were referring to Laura. None of it is about being delusional that you don't have to abide by societal time anymore. Please let's keep our jobs. If you have a 9 to 5, please let's keep the constructs of time that we live by. But it is that duality of knowing that. Yes, I am choosing to abide by
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Ninoshka Perez: the construct of time that we have created as a collective in this life.
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Ninoshka Perez: and I get to know that I am not here, only
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Ninoshka Perez: I am in the spiritual realm at the same time that I'm in this 3D realm. I am beyond the body and beyond the construct of time simultaneously, that I am here
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Ninoshka Perez: abiding by it and reveling in the time that we have constructed for ourselves, even because I think
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Ninoshka Perez: we can treat time as this thing that we are like. Oh, my gosh! I can't believe we made that for ourselves, but we could also treat it as
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Ninoshka Perez: what it was intended to be. That structure, that
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Ninoshka Perez: method and tool for us to move through this lifetime in a way that feels supportive
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Ninoshka Perez: and so I wanted to also say that
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Ninoshka Perez: in in reference to the urgency
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Ninoshka Perez: we are allowed to let our bodies and our minds attune in a way that it feels like a surrender and a sigh and a softening.
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Ninoshka Perez: In this present moment it doesn't have to be hard. We don't have to force ourselves to softening into it.
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Ninoshka Perez: But when we start to apply presence, intentional presence.
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Ninoshka Perez: the urgency of time can drop
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Laura Mazzotta: And I think everybody's felt that
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Laura Mazzotta: like that moment when time stops.
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Laura Mazzotta: whether it's your your child being born or you're on, you know the top of a mountain, looking at a landscape, or and it's just like time
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Laura Mazzotta: stops.
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Laura Mazzotta: you know, or you're with that person, and you're lost in their eyes. Time stops right like we all know that feeling and that sensation.
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Laura Mazzotta: and that is the purity of presence
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Laura Mazzotta: plug for our previous episode on presence, that you can check out in our soul talk playlist. But but yeah, I really appreciate you bringing forward this concept of urgency, this concept of
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Laura Mazzotta: anchoring it into the human and deeply revering time, as it is at the same time that we are truly just shifting out of this thought-based identification that Jenna was talking about of how I identify, I can identify and know that I am a spiritual being, and I can be fully present
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Laura Mazzotta: here. And working within what we've created on this planet, because there's purpose in that as well.
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Laura Mazzotta: So if there's not anything else to share, I think we are complete for today.
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Laura Mazzotta: and we will see you for our next episode. Episode. 6. Thank you for being here, and please share any questions or reflections in the show notes or the comments.
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Laura Mazzotta: and we'll see you very soon. Bye.