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Laura Mazzotta: Welcome to the freedom. Frequency episode 6. Today we're talking about freedom of the mind, freedom from the mind. And one of the things we were just talking about was this concept of intrusive thoughts and intrusive thoughts are a symptom, if you will, of Ocd. And they can also come up just from anxiety and based on how it's defined in the mental health field at the end of the day, though
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Laura Mazzotta: it happens to everybody. This is not something that like is diagnostic. That is wrong with you. And what do I mean by intrusive thoughts? Intrusive thoughts are when you're like driving down the road. And you're like, Oh, what if I drove my car into a tree, or you know you're like walking across a bridge, and you're like, what if I just jumped right now, like, what if I just jumped.
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Laura Mazzotta: you know? What if I smacked my kid just like random, intrusive thoughts that come into your head that are really disturbing, and bother the fuck out of you. But truly don't mean anything at all like really what these are are like random firing of neurons in your nervous system to like discharge excess energy. That's all this is. And if that's how we could look at it
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Laura Mazzotta: and comprehend it, we wouldn't get into these big stories, because the fact is, if you knew that over 95% of human beings had these intrusive thoughts that just pop into their mind randomly throughout the day. You wouldn't latch onto me like, what's wrong with me? What does this mean about me? Do I have to worry about me doing this, you know. Then you wouldn't even you just kind of shake it off and be like, Whoo, okay, right? But what happens is we can latch onto these things.
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Laura Mazzotta: And if it's something that is patterned and it's coming up over and over and over and over again. Okay, take some space and be with it right? And just be like, okay, is there a purpose? Is there a message here that I'm missing? Right? Otherwise it's like, if you turn toward it and start to engage it and make it mean something about you. You're creating more of a problem than actually exists. And so we wanted to talk about this, because obviously, there's so many different ways that we can feel trapped by the mind.
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Laura Mazzotta: And this is one of them that we were just talking about. Do you have any thoughts on this, Anna, or other areas that you feel trapped by the mind
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Ana Jones: So, 1st of all, I just want to say that, like you, that if we could just summarize this whole episode, it would be like in that phrase that you'd said right intrusive thoughts. If you want the brain to know what the fuck is going on, you can tell it. Oh, right now, I'm just having excess energy that wants to be let out like
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Ana Jones: that's it. That's it. Like, I feel like when we have simple solutions to like, cut our story and fuck, and just let it go like, remember that. That is it. I think that that's what you should put like in the, you know, underneath, like, if you like, get anything out of this like, always remember this like, it is excess energy. So we were talking about this right and and we'll obviously go more into the body in another episode. But
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Ana Jones: if you are not moving the body, if you are not releasing the energy physically right.
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Ana Jones: This your brain will tell you. Hey, we need to fucking release some shit, so it releases it, and many it will want to release it in any other way. So it's basically a cry for help. The way that I see it from my body of like give me some movement. Let me release this, whether it's through, you know, screaming, crying, moving, jump, whatever it is, right. And so, whatever whatever way is the most
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Ana Jones: attainable or the most you know, kind of like ready, you know, readily available to you, I would say, just go for it because
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Ana Jones: we live in a world. And I think this happens a lot a lot more in the Us. Where it's like everybody wants to be diagnosed with something. It's like there is something wrong with me. Diagnose me so I can finally be at peace. Well, how about this? How about you? Stop looking to be diagnosed and actually just
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Ana Jones: let yourself feel. Let your like sit with yourself, be with yourself. What is going on? I always tell my clients. Do you talk to your life? Do you talk to your body? Do you do, you? Are you in constant communication with your creation? Because otherwise, how the fuck do you know what's going on? So I really think that this is very interesting, right? Because
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Ana Jones: how can we feel free mentally when we're constantly? We are the ones that are keeping ours that is keeping us, you know, in in imprisoned
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Laura Mazzotta: This is, you said so many brilliant things within that because
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Laura Mazzotta: one of the things you said, you know what this is about, Anna. This is about taking responsibility. Right? This is about taking responsibility for, like you said, when you look at this as energy, how do you discharge energy? Is it through physical movement? Is it through being in nature? Is it through deep meditation? Is it through astral travel? Right? And so there's so many different ways that we can discharge energy because everything here on this planet is energy
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Laura Mazzotta: right? And and I also really love that you brought forward this concept of creation because one of the things that I notice a ton is when people are spinning, spinning, spinning, especially around the same topic. And they're just not getting somewhere. It's like, that's because it's not for just you, or it's not for you anymore. Which means that it's somebody else's that you need to shed. But more importantly, it's usually something that you need to offer to other people or to the collective as service. Whether that's just
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Laura Mazzotta: sharing your story, talking about what's going on with you, talking about what you desire and what you want to put out into the world, or what you want to do. That's fun and adventurous right, and I think that.
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Laura Mazzotta: allowing it to be something that moves through us rather than like you said, keeping ourselves imprisoned within the mind is a choice. It is a choice. And so it doesn't feel like that when you're in that space, because it feels so overwhelming. But that's because, like you brilliantly said as well. You're not willing to sit in the discomfort of that. It's a cry for help like
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Laura Mazzotta: it's like parts work. I'm going to talk to the different parts of me. So it's like, Okay, if your mind's really chatty, all right. If you're a toddler and you're in my field and you're really chatty, I'm not going to be like, shut the fuck up like. Shut the fuck up right, I'm gonna say, and if you're gonna say that maybe we should have a conversation. But
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Laura Mazzotta: you're really gonna be like
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Laura Mazzotta: I love. How excited this little bubba is! I love how much energy this little bubba wants to share and is needing to emit, and is needing to put out there right now, even if I'm not fully focused on the content of everything that's coming out of that child's mouth just like we're not always focused on the content of everything that goes through our minds. We're kind of like sitting there and just witnessing it and just being in space and being like, yeah, just chat away. Go ahead and chat.
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Laura Mazzotta: Because here, you understand, it's not gonna happen constantly. It is going to eventually die down if it has space to chat
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Ana Jones: Exactly.
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Ana Jones: I I again I mean, I think we're just like going back and forth with all these like golden nuggets. And I
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Ana Jones: I shared this briefly with you while we were chatting before we got on here. But you know this just an example of what? Like the stories in our brains. Right? There's this acquaintance, that message, me and and this person was like Anna. I don't know if I should do this training. So basically, like 9 min of voice note and like
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Ana Jones: from like the 1st couple of minutes when I just heard, like all the stories around, why, she couldn't do the training around. Why she couldn't do these this thing. And it's like
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Ana Jones: I was really intrigued because I was like, this is just a story, a story that she has created, and she has gathered so much evidence of like. Why she cannot have this training, and all the reasons of why it will not benefit her, you know she may not. And this isn't a training that I'm offering. It's just a training that a friend is actually offering in her studio, and I told her I was like.
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Ana Jones: this person is coming from the other side of the world to your studio, and you've been denying this training for yourself for 3 years. I think that it's very clear that you have to take this training, you know. And and I told her I was like, you know, I asked this question to myself lately, and I'm like, if I were 80 years old, 80 90. However, you think old ages.
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Ana Jones: and if somebody somebody were to come up to me and ask, Do you have any regrets?
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Ana Jones: And if I were to say like my goal, you know, quote unquote is to obviously say no, I don't have any regrets. I lived my life fully. I was in fullest expression, and I did what I want. I lived my life in a way that felt that I was doing it with integrity and fun and excitement, and whatever. But, I said, if you can see yourself
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Ana Jones: in that old age, and that would come up like that would be something that you regretted not doing. I think you have to do it, you know. So again, going back to that same prison that she had already created. She was basically telling me like, why she wasn't going to do it right. She she was kind of asking for advice, but not ask, not really. And then I was just like.
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Ana Jones: I don't hear one like quote unquote good reason of why you shouldn't do this. I just heard a story
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Ana Jones: of fear, a story that you have created, and you have bought into it for so many years that
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Ana Jones: you've guilted yourself out of not wanting it.
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Ana Jones: And so it's basic. You're justifying like, why you don't want it, why you shouldn't have it. And all these things. And so I think that when we fall, when we start, like
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Ana Jones: when we actually don't witness the thoughts right, which is something that we constantly talk about, just like. Be with it. Witness it. You don't have to like, dive into the thought and make it your reality and like, consume it and let it consume you. You're not meant to be in relationship with your thoughts. You're meant to observe them and just witness them and see what it wants to unravel. Sometimes it can feel a little scary, which is like where we come in right. A client of mine was saying like, this is why I want to hire you, because
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Ana Jones: I know that I'm really good at what I do. But then, like, when my brain gets in the way I reach out to you and like you can hold me and remind me that I'm coming from a very limited space, and then
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Ana Jones: we can expand the possibilities. And I'm like I forgot. And then I move on. So this is really, really beautiful to just bring forward and to acknowledge that the story that you are telling yourself like whether you're watching this podcast or listening to it. It's like you can decide to release yourself from the story. It may feel impossible, but it's not
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Laura Mazzotta: And you brought up a really important point that we need to consider with this as well, which is that sometimes we need somebody else's perspective to be able to help us get out of that right? Because, like, I want to ask you, what was it about your witnessing of this
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Laura Mazzotta: person's voice note that allowed you to see so clearly and swiftly into that right? Because that happens to me, too. I was just talking to somebody the other day. It was like literally, they said to me, Holy crap, how fast you saw that like you saw right through to the like smallest point of my soul, that and most anchored point of my soul in an instant.
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Laura Mazzotta: And it's like, Yeah, great. You do the same shit for me. Right? And so it's like, Yeah, I am very intuitive, and I'm very in tune with those things, and I can feel those things. That would be my answer. I think, if somebody asked me, How do you see that? Because I feel it? Because I know who you are? I see your soul, and I feel it right, and sometimes we can't have that perspective with ourselves. And so I think, coming into a space collaboratively with more than one person
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Laura Mazzotta: is is where we are meant to be guided on this planet in human form, like, we're not meant to do it all on our own. And sometimes, if you get lost in that sea on your head, and you just can't tease apart. You know what's left from right. That's when somebody else's perspective can come in and be like, I see this so clearly for you, because you can just get lost in the sauce
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Ana Jones: Yeah, you you said it very.
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Ana Jones: just like, very well, very well put. And I'm I'm having a little bit of challenge bringing words in today. But
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Ana Jones: I think
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Ana Jones: you know you are very in tune, and you are very open, and you're very receptive. And also you're very discerning, you know like, and you know yourself very well. I think so. And you are. You know what your capacity is beyond this realm, almost like. I think that you're very connected, like
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Ana Jones: ethereal, wise, but also like you. Have you enjoy being grounded
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Laura Mazzotta: In in that and in in this experience as well. So I mean, there's for me, I think
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Ana Jones: You know, when you ask the question like, How how does it come forward for me? It's like tail as old as fucking time, right like
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Ana Jones: I've used these stories before
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Ana Jones: I can recognize them, because I used to fucking talk myself out of beautiful expansive experiences because of like, Oh, I don't have enough money. Oh, I'm not smart enough. I'm not creative enough like, who am I to do this? And it's like who the fuck am I not to do this
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Ana Jones: like? Who the fuck? Am I not to do this? And I think that that really is like the message for every single person on this planet. It's like, when you stop being who you really want to be. When you stop doing what you really want to do, you're actually doing a disservice to everyone out there, because you are part of that ripple effect. I always tell my clients I'm like I'm Mexican right? Even though I look white as fuck. I'm Mexican.
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Ana Jones: and you know, because of my heritage, because of the way that I speak, because of whatever I have access to certain people. Now, my clients, you know, they're different colored skin, different colored background, religion, culture, everything. They have access to people that I may not have access to right because everyone is drawn to different people. So I am like, never for a fucking second, think
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Ana Jones: that
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Ana Jones: this is like a small deed like it's so much bigger than you like when you're not being you. You're like breaking that that ripple effect. And you're you're like.
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Ana Jones: I always yeah. It's like thinking bigger. It's not just about you. You're not just like keeping yourself imprisoned. It's like you're also
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Ana Jones: not putting out your bat signal, which is what I've been telling my clients lately. I'm like when I put out my bat signal. People know where to find me. People are like.
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Ana Jones: I want to work with her. I want to hang out with her. I want to join her. You know her group. I want to do this. I want to do that, and it's like.
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Ana Jones: And then we all inspire each other. We're all part of this ripple effect together, and we're just kind of ping ponging ideas and shares and experiences. And all these things, and that's when we don't feel so alone.
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Ana Jones: That's when we don't think like. Oh, my God, I should be crazy! I should be taking so many pills because my brain isn't right or I'm not okay. I feel, you know, sad in the morning and then happy in the evening. It's like. If only you knew that that is normal. We're just living in a world that's not designed to sustain all of who we are. And you know, eventually, there's there's something that I want to do with with women, because
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Ana Jones: the the world was not created for women
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Ana Jones: right like, think about like the the corporate world, like women, aren't supposed to be working all day every day, like we have one week of our cycle, where we are like extremely productive, extremely creative extremely, all of these things, and they they sometimes overlap. But then, when we're together, we sync and so imagine when a bunch of women are like synced in their periods, and then super creative, super productive, super all these things we can do what a man does
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Ana Jones: one week that they do in a month.
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Ana Jones: So this is this is what I'm talking about, right? Like the like, the the possibilities. And also when we really accept like.
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Ana Jones: this is how we roll. This is how we are. This is this is how how we be, as they say, right. And and the more we are being, and the more we are doing with this being, it just becomes this natural flow. There is no effort, there is no, you know, it doesn't feel forced, and even when the and when the rough times come, you know, like
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Ana Jones: with intrusive thoughts, and whatever you can just be like, I've been here before.
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Ana Jones: I know I know how to navigate it, and then, if if another layer is being added into the story of the you know of the intrusiveness, then you have your coach. You have your community, you have your friends that you can just talk to and not have to give, you know explanations, or or you know, feel like you have to some way compensate or or extra validate, because you can just be.
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Ana Jones: and they get it
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Laura Mazzotta: Yeah, I really like this, because what you're bringing in it feels like to me other than the societal piece. By the way, which is brilliant, because I think that's a big piece of what happens in our minds, and how we can get Spinny, too, is this concept of also not personalizing what comes like we talked about not creating meaning. But even if you do create meaning or your mind latches onto that
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Laura Mazzotta: we are humans. After all, we're gonna have some kind of understanding. When energy moves through our fields. It's like recognizing that
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Laura Mazzotta: every single person on this planet has a thought
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Laura Mazzotta: of a certain concept or a certain flavor that another person across the world is also having right like, I promise you there isn't a thought that's gone through your mind that somebody else has not also thought right like, there's so many people on this planet. There's so many beings and energies in this universe. And so it's recognizing that you're never alone in some of this random shit that goes through your head, or that gets stuck in your head. And one of the things that Anna and I were talking about earlier, too, was that
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Laura Mazzotta: sometimes some of these things come through, and this is similar to when we were saying, it doesn't belong to us, that it's like Whoa.
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Laura Mazzotta: what's that? It keeps coming up? And actually, we're meant to understand and cultivate that energy, not for our own identity or self understanding as much as like you're meant to feel the texture of this because there's actually a client or somebody else that's coming along the way. That's like right there at the gate that you don't even see is there? And they're going to hire you, and they're going to get into your field, and you're going to be like holy shit. All that energy that came in was for her or was for him.
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Laura Mazzotta: And it's like I wouldn't have not. I wouldn't have been able to help them with as
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Laura Mazzotta: as embodied of an understanding from like a sensation in my body, an emotion that I felt when I processed that energy, or when I was present with it, right? Because it's not something I may have experienced in my life before. And so sometimes these things can come in because you're actually meant to help somebody else, or you're actually meant to have perspective for somebody else who might be struggling with gaining perspective
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Laura Mazzotta: or looking to you to offer a perspective. And it's something that like if they just showed up at your doorstep, you'd be like.
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Laura Mazzotta: I mean, I totally see you in this. I witness you in this, but I can't relate, because I've never fucking been there like I get it, and I support you. But and so I think that's what's really cool, but can send us reeling. And this is where trust comes in is like, I trust that all these random mass energies that come into my field
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Laura Mazzotta: are here to like, cultivate me because I'm here to be of service and like whether that's going to help my world like in my little microcosm here with me and my family and my loved ones, or my own identity, or it's meant to help the collective, or it's meant to help.
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Laura Mazzotta: you know, a little human or a little nugget that's coming along my path that needs guidance. And so I think that's the piece that we sometimes don't think that far ahead and we can get stuck like like Anna said. We get imprisoned in the mind of thinking like right now, this is what's spinning, and it's like
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Laura Mazzotta: broader perspective. Think bigger like you said earlier. Think bigger.
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Laura Mazzotta: right? Think bigger. What if this is coming through to be of service. In fact, what if we believe that everything that's coming through our fields is to be of service? Everything. And it's when it comes through. And you're a little like taken aback or shocked being like, okay, well, how is this? How is this serving through me right now? Because I know this is coming through as service
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Ana Jones: Yeah.
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Laura Mazzotta: Yeah.
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Ana Jones: Yeah, I was getting so many chills as you were speaking, because I really do believe that
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Ana Jones: I've just cultivated this belief that everything is always working out for me, and that everything that comes into my field is for my benefit, and it's for the benefit of me breaking this prison that I was told that I had to live in
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Ana Jones: in this golden cage, if you will, right of like restriction and and refraining, and that feels fucking scary right to want to break out of my own prison.
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Ana Jones: and sometimes I feel like I've shared this with you many times, and probably have shared it here I don't know, but like there was at 1 point I was like, I'm so scared of like being so free that I'll end up in a cult like that was always like my fear, right of like that was the story that my brain was telling me to keep me inside this cage. Right? You're going to end up in a cult. And look at what happens to people in
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Ana Jones: cults. They're like lost. They don't even know what the fuck they're doing, and then the reality is
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Ana Jones: I would never end up there. I'd probably create my own just kidding. No, but you know what I mean like. I wouldn't end up there, because that's actually not freedom. That's a distorted perception or a narrative of what other people might
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Ana Jones: find or might consider as freedom in that point coming from where they are. And so we've talked about. You know what freedom is to us and everything, and I think we're very much in alignment that it feels, you know, when you're an integrity and when you're moving in the world with like this peace, but in groundedness and expansion and everything. It doesn't have to do with any of the limitations that we've been fed before, whether you're single, whether you're in partnership, whether you're whatever like freedom is always available to you
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Ana Jones: right here, and also here in the body
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Laura Mazzotta: Yeah, I really love that. Because when you talked about how scary it is to break out of the prison that also speaks to the guilt you were talking about earlier, too, where we kind of guilt ourselves into a certain box.
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Laura Mazzotta: Why do we do that right? Well, because if I'm breaking out of a prison in my mind or in my body that was created by a society that's accepted me, a family that has raised me, that loves me. That sees me right then it almost feels like I'm in betrayal.
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Laura Mazzotta: And I'm like, Yeah, well, I'm choosing this new way. I'm choosing this new path, or this new community, or this new way of being. And it almost feels like I'm defying
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Laura Mazzotta: what I've always known, not just what I've been taught, but like what's held me, and that's scary as fuck, because it's like dude. You were like holding me in the womb, or you were holding me when I was a nugget, or whatever, and that's where the nervous system can be like. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait! If you break out of this. Are you going to be ostracized? Are you going to have access to the things that you had
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Laura Mazzotta: before? And so that's where we can use the mind to keep remind, bringing us back to a focal point, a new focal point, a focal point that we have convictedly decided is the new way, and is the new us, and is the way that opens us and allows us to serve and support other people.
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Laura Mazzotta: So yeah, this was really beautiful. Do you have any other thoughts before we close up today, Anna
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Ana Jones: I was just I mean goosebumps all around. And just I feel like I'm already like entering a new level of consciousness, as we're, you know, having this conversation.
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Ana Jones: but I believe that the loyalty thing is is real. You know what you're saying also, and that's a lot that's a big big part of like. Why, we choose to stay small, and you know what came up to the the loyalty of the struggle.
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Ana Jones: The loyalty of like it has to be hard. I have to fight for it. It has to cost me. If it's not hard, then it's not worth as much. It's like.
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Ana Jones: how can we start changing the narrative around all of this? Because you can stand up for who you are, for what you believe, and you can act in integrity, and not have to be in this struggle, not have to be in constant debates and arguments and fights with other people. It's like, Can we just come to terms that not every single person around us, and that we're in relationship with is going to think exactly the way that we do.
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Ana Jones: And if we are trying to convince them, or if we were trying to cancel them out because they are not thinking the way that we do, then we need to check in with ourselves and see where are we coming from? Because that's not love, that's fear.
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Ana Jones: And I think both you and I have realized that there are 2 ways that we come from in life. It's either love or fear.
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Ana Jones: Where are you coming from?
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Laura Mazzotta: I love that, and I will just leave us here with this concept of integrity that you just brought up, because what I always say now is like, we choose to be an integrity to these decisions that we've made with other people. These contracts we've made in our lives, and we often choose that over our integrity to our own soul.
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Laura Mazzotta: and when we are in integrity to our own souls, it's always going to come from a place of love. It's always going to be rooted from that space when we come back to that. So that's a really good anchor point to continue to choose. And sometimes you need to discharge that energy first, st like we talked about earlier, before you can settle enough to come into that integrity with soul. But that's our invitation to you today, and thank you so much for being here. Let us know if you have any thoughts or questions in the comments, and we'll see you on our next episode
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Ana Jones: Bye.
